Who is Dr. Whale?

[thelionessrules]

Any ideas? With the way he was staring at Ruby, I would say the wolf, but it doesn't feel right. All we know so far is he's a doctor with a wandering eye, who doesn't pay for a date, and is in league with the Mayor in some way.

[gottara]

Wouldn't be surprised if he is the wolf.

But "Whale", you'd think his name would be a wink of something....

Whale, sea?

[thelionessrules]

I've seen speculation that he's the whale that swallowed Pinocchio

[gottara]

Probably because the other tale I can think of with sea is the little mermaid

Unless he is one of the eels (the eye thing). Because the villain was a woman

[starrydreamer]

I'm going with the Whale in Pinchicco as well. Monstro was his name.

[gottara]

Yes it makes sense

[thelionessrules]

It's been forever since I watched Pinocchio, did Monstro deliberately swallow Pinocchio or did it just happen accidentally?

[gottara]

Never saw Pinocchio properly so don't remembe the details

[starrydreamer]

According to Wikipedia, Monstro only appears in the Disney version, not in the original version. Personally I've probably seen the film when I was 5, so my memory is very foggy, so I looked it up. Here's what the Disney Wiki says:

Monstro is an enormous whale and the sixth antagonist in Pinocchio. While Pinocchio spends the night in Stromboli's troupe and, later, Pleasure Island, Gepetto searches for his son. Taken to sea, the toymaker, Figaro and Cleo are swallowed whole (complete with a boat) by Monstro. The whale later swallows Pinocchio, when the little wooden boy comes searching for his father. Monstro has a reputation as a "whale of a whale" and is feared by all the creatures of the sea, and apparently on land, as even Jiminy knew of him and of his deeds. In Pinocchio, Monstro was animated by Wolfgang Reitherman. The whale also appears in Kingdom Hearts

and...

Monstro is first mentioned in the film when Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket receive a message from the Blue Fairy that the whale has swallowed Gepetto, Figaro and Cleo when the toymaker took to sea to rescue Pinocchio from Pleasure Island. The three are still alive, inside Monstro's belly. Against Jiminy's warnings, Pinocchio resolves to find and rescue Gepetto. Though Jiminy tries to dissuade Pinocchio, warning that Monstro is "a whale of a whale... he swallows ships whole!", he does not hesitate to join the wooden boy in his search at the bottom of the sea. The two search for Monstro; mention of the whale's name causes the sea creatures to flee in terror. Meanwhile, in Monstro's belly, Gepetto and Figaro are trying to catch fish to eat. The toymaker tells Figaro that he fears that they will starve in the belly of the sleeping whale.

Monstro wakes at the sight of a school of tuna swimming nearby. Opening his great eyes, the whale pursues the fish, mouth open, tearing through the ocean. When Pinocchio sees Monstro approaching, he flees for his life, pushing past the tuna, though he is nevertheless consumed by the beast. The sprightly Jiminy escapes the creature's jaws, but, on discovery that Pinocchio has been swallowed, tries to enter Monstro's now closed mouth. Jiminy tries to get in but he won't open his mouth. Inside the whale's belly, Pinocchio, reunited with his father, proposes that they escape in a raft (constructed by Gepetto) when Monstro opens his mouth. When told that "everything comes in... nothing goes out" of Monstro's jaws, the wooden boy suggests that they start a fire to make the whale sneeze.

Monstro once again opens his eyes, this time to find smoke rising from his blowhole. He begins taking deep breaths; while his mouth is open, Pinocchio, Gepetto and the pets try to escape; they succeed when Monstro finally sneezes, sending them flying out to the sea. After another powerful sneeze, an enraged Monstro pursues the raft while Pinocchio and Gepetto row for their lives. Monstro dives underwater and emerges underneath the raft; Pinoccho and his father row away in time, but when Monstro leaps after them, they are forced to jump into the sea. The whale smashes the raft into pieces with his tail. Pinocchio saves his father from drowning and pulls him to shore, with Monstro in hot pursuit. As the whale builds up speed, the waves drifting from the cliffs of the shore hinder Pinocchio. Monstro leaps into the air, aiming to consume and kill the two. Finally, paddling madly, the wooden boy swims through the hole in the cliffs just as Monstro smashes into a giant cliff, the impact of which sends Pinocchio and Gepetto flying onto the beach. As the toymaker comes to, Jiminy, Figaro and Cleo are washed onto the shore. Pinocchio, however, didn't survive the blow. The puppet is later revived, and turned into a real boy, by the Blue Fairy.

On a side note-- we also saw the Blue Fairy in the pilot. She was the one that told Snow & Charming that they could send someone to another realm through the magic tree. I'd initially thought she was one of the fairies from Sleeping Beauty, but it makes more sense for her to be Pinocchio's fairy since she was all blue.

[thelionessrules]

Cool, thanks for the info!

[Jade]

Good point about Monstro though. Didn't think of that. I automatically assumed he was "Doc" of the seven dwarves. Did we meet him in the pilot at all?

[starrydreamer]

We did meet "Doc". He was the one delivering Emma in the pilot.

We've also met Grumpy (or Leroy the janitor/drunk) and Sleepy (the security guard at the hospital who fell asleep).

Dr. Whale is too mean to have been Doc, the dwarf. He has to be an antagonist in some fairy tale.

[Jade]

This is true. Although Grumpy was...okay, grumpy. Fair enough. I do see the potential for him to be the wolf.

[gottara]

I thought he was the Wolf too. But the name WHALE threw me of.

Unless what we need to focus is in the W

[sanalayla]

I think he's the whale in the Pinocchio story, too. I never liked that story, so I have no idea why he would be THAT important.

I do know that I loved the actor who plays him back in his "Alias" days, so I'm looking forward to seeing where we go with it.

I loved the scene in the beginning with him and Snow & how he's ogling Ruby's butt. LOL