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Post by Jade on Nov 27, 2011 13:54:06 GMT -5
I will sadly NOT be able to watch this in real time tonight because my DVR hates me. AGAIN. But I'll unlock the thread when the time comes around, nevertheless!
Also, if anyone's interested...
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Post by Jade on Nov 27, 2011 20:55:50 GMT -5
For that evil queen scene alone, I'm glad that Archie survived the episode and hope he continues to survive.
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Post by Jade on Nov 27, 2011 21:09:25 GMT -5
I have to say, I think they did a great job with Archie/Jiminy this episode. I never really gave much thought to the cricket before, but I got drawn into his story and really enjoyed it. I was even sad at the end, when I thought he might die.
And Pongo! Yay for Pongo!
Next week, though? Can.Not.WAIT!
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Post by Happy Endings for All on Nov 27, 2011 21:17:31 GMT -5
Archie was such a badass standing up to Regina! ALL THE FEELINGS. This was like an emotional rollercoaster!! And the Mary/David scenes were INSAAANE... the preview for next week made my heart race haha.
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Post by Jade on Nov 27, 2011 21:21:52 GMT -5
Archie was such a badass standing up to Regina! ALL THE FEELINGS. This was like an emotional rollercoaster!! And the Mary/David scenes were INSAAANE... the preview for next week made my heart race haha. If Kathryn isn't threatened by Mary Margaret, then she's blind and obtuse. Particularly after that last scene they had together. |
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Post by Happy Endings for All on Nov 27, 2011 22:38:14 GMT -5
Well, yeah. She probably told Regina. How else do you think Regina knew that something was going on in order to yell at Mary Margaret in the preview? This is just a bad situation for everyone!
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Post by gottara on Nov 28, 2011 0:07:20 GMT -5
OMG with the Gepetto reveal, I have tears in my eyes, that scene was like AMAZING....
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Post by sanalayla on Nov 28, 2011 13:57:56 GMT -5
I had some issues with this episode. First of all, I'm starting to get sick and tired of every single person making a deal with Rumple... seriously, what is UP with that?
Secondly - I didn't buy the 'happily ever after' that Jiminy got in the FTL. He couldn't leave his parents without becomign a cricket? How did that decision come from a place of strength? His parents sucked and he never stood up to them.
BUT... I did enjoy the Regina/Emma/Heny subplot. Oooh... that was Snow White's glass coffin. Very cool.
And loved the little Sheriff/Emma banter we got. I want to ship these two SO hard, but the show won't help me!! WHY?!?!?!
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Post by Jade on Nov 28, 2011 14:44:07 GMT -5
I had some issues with this episode. First of all, I'm starting to get sick and tired of every single person making a deal with Rumple... seriously, what is UP with that? Secondly - I didn't buy the 'happily ever after' that Jiminy got in the FTL. He couldn't leave his parents without becomign a cricket? How did that decision come from a place of strength? His parents sucked and he never stood up to them. BUT... I did enjoy the Regina/Emma/Heny subplot. Oooh... that was Snow White's glass coffin. Very cool. And loved the little Sheriff/Emma banter we got. I want to ship these two SO hard, but the show won't help me!! WHY?!?!?! I didn't really see it as being a decision from a place of strength. In fact, I kinda took it as the opposite - that he realized he'd never have the strength to leave his parents unless he became a cricket. It was his happily ever after to the extent that instead of dreaming of going to balls and dancing with princess, when he was miserable as a kid he always dreamed of being a cricket and leaving it all behind. But, still, it wasn't a happily ever after in the same sense as leaving it all behind him. And that's why I think he was tasked with watching over Geppetto for the rest of his life. In fact, his life span seems tied TO Geppetto's. The fairy said that he'd live as long as Geppetto did. Anyway, I think that's part of why he's tied to him. Because he did this awful thing to him and because he didn't really break free of his parents due to strength. He sort of did the weaker thing and needed a spell to even get away from them. So he's got to make up for it, in a way. And it makes sense for the character. I see him as a character who's not really terribly strong. Archie isn't either; I actually saw the moment where he stands up to Regina as the first moment of real strength from him. As Jiminy, he needed the Blue Fairy to change what he WAS to break away. As Archie, he realized he had to do it himself - to find the strength in HIMSELF to change WHO he was in order to get free. Because here, unlike in FTL with the godmothers and fairies and whatnot, nobody else can come in and do it for you. More on this later; I gotta run to work. |
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Post by sanalayla on Nov 28, 2011 16:01:46 GMT -5
^ Yeah, I see what you're saying. I got an atonement sense from him, as well.
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Post by thelionessrules on Nov 28, 2011 23:31:01 GMT -5
I didn't get to watch this episode live yesterday, so I watched it this morning and I have to say I really enjoyed the episode. I think this is the first episode since the pilot that the entire cast was part of, and I loved the insights to all the characters. I've never really cared about Jiminy Cricket, but I liked the backstory they did for him and the struggle he goes through. I thought it was interesting that he was raised in a criminal environment, yet he had a innate desire to be a better person. No one taught him to be good, he just knew what he was doing was wrong and hurting people. I think he stayed with his parents in part because of filial piety and twisted loyalty because these 2 people were his family, but also because this was the only life he knew and he probably felt he deserved it from all the bad things he's done for his parents.
Making the deal with Rumplstilskin was dumb no question, but there are so many people in bad stituations in this world that look for ways out by making bad decisions, and I just saw the deal as a reflection of a real world situation.
I enjoyed the growth Archie experienced in the episode, when he finally stood up against Regina I was cheering.
The Mary Margarat and David story was so sweet yet sad, not sure what to think about Kathryn yet as we haven't seen enough of her yet to truly say one way or another if she's in cohoots with Regina or if she was married to someone who looks exactly like David/James.
The truce between Regina and Emma was nice, and I truly felt that Regina does love Henry in this episode, but she also wants to control him and have his complete attention, its a obsessive kind of love and Henry is rebelling against it all.
I really liked Henry in this episode. He may have stupidly headed into danger, but in the end he realized what he did was wrong. And I enjoyed how he acted as Archie's consciencek, a little role reversal there. This episode made me think how strange it must have been growing up in Storybrooke, with everything in a stand still but he's himself was always growing and changing. It made him extra aware about the discrepencies in the town from how things should be.
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Post by sanalayla on Nov 29, 2011 16:17:20 GMT -5
The truce between Regina and Emma was nice, and I truly felt that Regina does love Henry in this episode, but she also wants to control him and have his complete attention, its a obsessive kind of love and Henry is rebelling against it all. But she technically can't love him, can she? Didn't the 2nd episode establish that she has - essentially - no soul? I thought she cared about him until that final scene with her when she tossed the piece of the glass coffin down the shaft. Then I felt like she manipulated Emma into saving Henry so she could cover it all up. |
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Post by thelionessrules on Nov 29, 2011 20:36:25 GMT -5
I think she can love him as far as she is capable of it, but if it came down to Henry or herself, she would pick herself the same way she did when the choice was between revenge and her father. I think episode 2 established that she didn't really have a heart anymore. For me the heart and the soul are two different things. A soul is the part of you that makes you who you are and that lives on long after you. The heart is what helps us have emotions and feelings towards others, it helps us connect with those around us. Because Regina/Evil Queen scarificed her heart for the curse, she inturn cursed herself, as she will never truly be able to connect with others and develop real relationships. I think revenge is a big part of her motivation, but she desperately wants to connect with others especially Henry to fill that hole within her, so she will go to great lengths to protect him as she sees fit and to keep Henry near her. So her love for Henry is the selfish kind and not the real selfless kind.
I think on some level Regina is glad she was able to cover up the true nature of the mineshaft, but that's only a secondary result, I think in this instance, Henry's safety was priority.
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Post by Jade on Nov 29, 2011 23:23:22 GMT -5
Yes, I think that Regina's "love" for Henry - whatever it is she does or doesn't feel - is complicated. She clearly has SOME motivation there. Which is rather nice, as I think it would be a bit too simplistic if it were so straight-forward as "she doesn't love him and sees him as nothing more than a pawn."
Perhaps she doesn't feel a genuine depth of love but she knows she should, and so she's struggling internally to try to draw that feeling out.
Okay, back to boring research...
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Post by sanalayla on Nov 30, 2011 10:42:52 GMT -5
But we know that Emma's power is the ability to tell when someone is lying. And it seems as though Emma's motivation for staying is that when she asks Regina if she loves Henry, she can tell that Regina is lying.
I do get the sense that Regina adopted Henry with a goal to fill a void in her life, but I feel like it's a useless endeavour on her part. I don't think she can get her soul (or heart, as the case may be) back until she repents and attempts to undo the spell.
Were I to guess what's coming up this season, I think that this may be Regina's ultimate arc -- her atonement and redemption with Mr. Gold being the real Big Bad.
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